A blog for discussing Christ-centered, trinitarian theology
Grace Communion International (GCI) provides this blog to discuss the theology that shapes GCI doctrine and practice. Note, however, that blog entries are not official GCI statements.
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Key points of Christ-centered, trinitarian theology
1. The Triune God created all people to participate through the vicarious humanity of Jesus Christ in the love relationship enjoyed by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
2. The Son became human, the man Jesus Christ, to reconcile all humanity to God through his birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension.
3. The crucified, resurrected and glorified Jesus is the representative and the substitute for humanity at the right hand of God, and he draws all people to himself by the power of the Holy Spirit.
4. In Christ, humanity is loved and accepted by the Father.
5. Jesus Christ paid for all our sins – past, present and future – and there is no longer any debt to pay.
6. The Father has in Christ forgiven all our sins, and he eagerly desires that we turn to him.
7. We can enjoy his love only when we believe that he loves us. We can enjoy his forgiveness only when we believe he has forgiven us.
8. When we respond to the Spirit by turning to God, believing the good news and picking up our cross and following Jesus, the Spirit leads us into the transformed life of the kingdom of God.
Related quotes
“The range and significance of the atoning exchange that took place in Jesus Christ, according to Torrance, is as comprehensive and boundless as the eternal nature, being and love of the Triune God incarnate in Jesus Christ… Torrance sees the redemptive exchange as opening the door to all of God’s creative and sanctifying purposes of humanity.
“Following Athanasius, Torrance also emphasizes the universal range of Christ’s redemptive activity, for Christ’s life, death and resurrection on our behalf and in our stead, ‘Christ as Man represents all mankind… all who belong to human nature are involved and represented – all human beings without exception’. Torrance rejects any and every idea of limited atonement, for if in the incarnation the Son of God assumed the actual fallen nature of humanity, then all human beings without exception are involved and represented. Only if Christ’s humanity (and atoning reconciliation) has no inner ontological connection with those for whom he died, but is regarded as an external instrument used by God as he will, in effecting salvation for all those whom God chooses can the atonement be limited to only some people.
“The Universal range of Christ’s effective incarnational redemption, Torrance contends, includes not only all people, but the entire universe: the universal range of the redemptive work of Christ takes in not only all humanity, but the whole created universe of time and space, including all things (ta panta) visible and invisible, earthly and heavenly alike…
“In light of statements like these some might think that Torrance embraces universal salvation. This, however, would be a grave misunderstanding of his position. Torrance see universalism and limited atonement as twin heresies which rest on a deeper heresy, the recourse to a logico-causal explanation of why the atoning death of the Lord Jesus Christ avails or does not avail for all people. Torrance rejects universalism because we cannot explain why some people believe and others do not, any more than we can explain why evil came into the world. The gospel, Torrance argues, does not even tell us precisely how evil is vanquished by Christ and the cross. It is a mystery before which the angels veil their faces. But the gospel tells us that God has loved us to the uttermost and has entered the dark depths of our sinful humanity within this fallen creation in order to make our misery, shame, sin, guilt, alienation and godlessness his own, substituting himself for us, thwarting evil, redeeming and restoring us to union and communion with the Triune God who loves us more than he loves himself.”
Elmer M. Colyer, “The Incarnate Savior: T. F. Torrance on the Atonement,” in An Introduction to Torrance Theology, edited by Gerrit Scott Dawson, pgs. 53-54. _____
“The Torrance tradition in theology is notable, I think, for underscoring the range of the vicarious life of the incarnate saviour. There is nothing here of an incarnation and atonement only for some, but not for all…
“It was Tom Torrance’s teacher, H.R. Macintosh, I think, who once said that we should press as far towards universalism as we can without actually end up there. If we are thinking about the incarnate savior of the world, and not about the incarnate saviour of some of the world, then we are thinking in global, indeed, cosmic, universal terms…
“And yet right here too the Church insists on a degree of soteriological reserve, in some measure always aware of the ugly messiness of our sin and of the consequences for both God and us, not the least of which is Calvary’s cross. We are confronted with a great mystery that is certainly not reducible to our theological formulas, or indeed ever adequately solvable, and which we can only talk about under our breath with quiet respect for the staggering sweep of the grace, the holiness and the majesty of the Lord God, who, while he loves us in freedom, will not be mocked. The problem may be stated thus: Jesus lived, died, rose again, and ascended for all; union with Christ and faith in Jesus our Lord is by the gift of the Holy Spirit; the faithless, those who resist life in Christ and refuse to confess him, will be judged into damnation by God. Given that God actualizes his relation with us and our relation with himself through union with Christ, which is the principal work of the Holy Spirit, why does God not enable everyone to hear and receive the gospel? Here, it seems, there is a terrible limit to our theology, for we have to say that, on the one hand, Jesus Christ is all in all, the beginning and the end, pantokrator, and on the other, that there is a human freedom to confess or reject Jesus as Lord. The limitation of our minds means we live within the antinomy of an irresistible universal grace and a human freedom that can be terrible in its consequences, and we cannot collapse the antinomy into either Arminianism or limited atonement.”
Andrew Purves, “Who Is the Incarnate Savior of the World?” in An Introduction to Torrance Theology, edited by Gerrit Scott Dawson, pgs. 31-32. _____
Karl Barth describes our human reaction to the Word of God which says to us “You are Mine!”
"We might imagine the conversation to which it gives rise and some of the forms which it necessarily takes. The man to whom it is said thinks and says that he is not this new, peaceful, joyful man living in fellowship. He asks leave honestly to admit that he does not know this man, or at least himself as this man.
"The Word of grace replies: 'All honour to your honesty, but my truth transcends it. Allow yourself, therefore, to be told in all truth and on the most solid grounds what you do not know, namely, that you are this man in spite of what you think.'
"Man: 'You think that I can and should become this man in the course of time? But I do not have sufficient confidence in myself to believe this. Knowing myself, I shall never become this man.'
"The Word of grace: 'You do well not to have confidence in yourself. But the point is not that you can and should become this man. What I am telling you is that, as I know you, you already are.'
"Man: 'I understand that you mean this eschatologically. You are referring to the man I perhaps will be one day in some not very clearly known transfiguration in a distant eternity. If only I had attained to this! And if only I could be certain that even then I should be this new man!'
"The Word of grace: 'You need to understand both yourself and me better than you do. I am not inviting you to speculate about your being in eternity, but to receive and ponder the news that here and now you begin to be the new man, and are already that which you will be eternally.'
"Man: 'How can I accept this news? On what guarantee can I make bold to take it seriously?'
"The Word of grace: 'I, Jesus Christ, am the One who speaks to you. You are what you are in Me, as I will to be in you. Hold fast to Me. I am your guarantee. My boldness is yours. With this boldness dare to be what you know you are.'
"Man: 'I certainly hear the message, but . . .'
"In this perplexed and startled 'but' we see the attack, and who it is that is attacked."
Karl Barth, Church Dogmatics, Volume IV, "The Doctrine of Reconciliation," Part Three, First Half. Eds. G.W. Bromiley and T.F. Torrance. T. and T. Clark: Edinburgh, 1961. p. 250. _____
"To say, 'I don't have to repent because God has already forgiven me,' is like saying 'Because my lover has forgiven me, there's no need for us to be loving.'
"To say, 'I don't have to live a moral life because God has forgiven me,' is like saying 'Because my beloved loves me and desires me, I don't have to be with her.'
"There is always a possibility that we can reject the divine Lover's love and life, but we should never be under the illusion that this possibility is more than a tragic folly. Rejecting our divine Lover, spurning God's love and life, is possible, but it is insanity. And it is hard to understand why anyone would."
Michael Jinkins, Invitation to Theology _____
"...Saying that God would predestine some people to hell -- after Jesus went out of his way to say he came to save them all -- isn't Gospel. It's just moralism in theological drag."
Robert F. Capon, The Mystery of Christ...& Why We Don't Get It _____
“God will not come into certain corners of our lives until we open those corners to him. Certainly, God knows our hearts better than we know our hearts. But he will not work in those areas unless we say, "Come." That's part of the active relationship of God giving us perfect freedom to invite him to come. It isn't just amounts of knowledge we're talking about. It is the life relationship, the interaction with God, that changes us."
Richard Foster, Plain Truth Interview with Mike Feazell _____
Click here to read a helpful and succinct blog post at TheoCentric. It summarizes the orthodox, biblical teaching concerning Jesus' ascension (including his continuing, glorified humanity).
A wonderful article! I loved the understanding that the ascension of the glorified Jesus was the hinge event between Luke and Acts. And this phrase captured me: "The distance between God and humanity is fully and finally spanned in Christ!" It is the living, glorified, ascended Christ that spans the gap between God and man. Christ has done it, not us! Much of Christian thought today tells us that WE must close the gap between a Holy God and ourselves - what an anxious burden to bear! Also, the understanding that Jesus is STILL fully God and fully man - a glorified human being at the right hand of the Father, STILL the Son of God AND the Son of Man - has cosmic implications that I don't think many grasp yet. GCI's former thinking, and I believe many other Christian's effective thinking, has been that Jesus is now a "spirit being," that the union of God and man only lasted 33 years, 2000 years ago - that Jesus shed his humanity as quickly as possible. Remnant of a dualistic view of spirit and flesh? We need to dwell on the continuing incarnation of our Savior - it is magnificent! Thanks, Ted.
Great post Ted. And wonderful comment Jerome. IN his humanity as the son of man and the Son of God, the FULLNESS of God dwelt bodily in Jesus Christ. And , IT STILL DOES.
I think that is the clearest most understandable explanation I've read in respect of this subject.
In my limited understanding I've preached that if we are "In Christ" and therefore ascended, we are at God's right right hand, in the sense that the curtain tore in two and we therefore have access to God in a way that was not previously possible. We are therefore in His presence. This article kind of confirms my limited understanding is right but explains it in fuller in an easy to understand way.
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A wonderful article! I loved the understanding that the ascension of the glorified Jesus was the hinge event between Luke and Acts. And this phrase captured me: "The distance between God and humanity is fully and finally spanned in Christ!" It is the living, glorified, ascended Christ that spans the gap between God and man. Christ has done it, not us! Much of Christian thought today tells us that WE must close the gap between a Holy God and ourselves - what an anxious burden to bear! Also, the understanding that Jesus is STILL fully God and fully man - a glorified human being at the right hand of the Father, STILL the Son of God AND the Son of Man - has cosmic implications that I don't think many grasp yet. GCI's former thinking, and I believe many other Christian's effective thinking, has been that Jesus is now a "spirit being," that the union of God and man only lasted 33 years, 2000 years ago - that Jesus shed his humanity as quickly as possible. Remnant of a dualistic view of spirit and flesh? We need to dwell on the continuing incarnation of our Savior - it is magnificent! Thanks, Ted.
Great post Ted. And wonderful comment Jerome. IN his humanity as the son of man and the Son of God, the FULLNESS of God dwelt bodily in Jesus Christ. And , IT STILL DOES.
blessings,
Paul Kurts
I think that is the clearest most understandable explanation I've read in respect of this subject.
In my limited understanding I've preached that if we are "In Christ" and therefore ascended, we are at God's right right hand, in the sense that the curtain tore in two and we therefore have access to God in a way that was not previously possible. We are therefore in His presence. This article kind of confirms my limited understanding is right but explains it in fuller in an easy to understand way.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
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